Again, I was unable to watch the latest ‘Republican - RINO - and lone crazy moonbat truther’ debate. But I did however get a chance to read the transcript. First let me start with this, I absolutely detest Chris the ‘blond bung hole’ Matthews. Now I know, I’m not supposed to hate anyone, but Chris Matthews is one of those on my very short list of people I hate. It could be all good though, the people on my list are truly evil, and I think it is proper, and maybe even sanctioned to hate evil (yes, I’m rationalizing). So it probably was a good thing that I was unable to watch the debate, because 2 minutes in, I would have shot my T.V. So from here on out, we will be referring to ole’ Chris Matthews as the ‘blond bung hole‘ moderator.
Unlike the previous debates there were some bright spots… take for example this quote by Duncan Hunter…
Hunter - Well, actually, I’m a sponsor of the fair tax, but let me tell you, ['blond bung hole' moderator], what is missing from this economy: 1.8 million jobs that have moved to communist China from the United States, including over 54,000 jobs from Michigan. You know, a couple of years ago when our guys were getting hurt with roadside bombs in Iraq, I tried to find one steel company left in America that could still make high-grade armor steel plate to put on the sides of our humvees to protect against roadside bombs. I found one company left that could still do that, and as you go down through the array of military systems that we need for our security, we find that more and more of those have gone off-shore. So this is also a security issue. You know, in Willow Run just a couple of miles away, we made a bomber every 60 minutes during World War Two. We’ve made tens of thousands of tanks in Michigan. Today we could not do that because we’ve fractured the great industrial base of this country and we’ve pushed it off-shore with bad trade deals. And I would say to my colleagues, Senator Thompson, the other senators, you all voted for most-favored-nation trading status for communist China. That set the groundwork for 1.8 million high-paying manufacturing jobs moving off-shore, going off-shore — some of them never to return. And what I would do is pass the Hunter-Ryan bill, which would put countervailing duties on the Chinese when they cheat; they are cheating on trade right now. I’d bring those jobs back home to the United States, and I would connect up the middle class of America with the Republican Party one more time.
Actually, I’m a flat tax guy. They used to, at one time, call the tax system we have now the ‘fair tax’. True tax reform will only happen with a flat tax, aka consumption tax.
This was the first snipe of the evening at the newcomer Fred Thompson. Fred managed to field a feeble counter argument for free-trade, and remarked that he thought we had not gone far enough with China when it became apparent they were cheating on our trade deal. Rep. Tancredo managed to take a shot over the bow at Thompson early on as well with this…
Tancredo - Yeah, let me answer that. You know, Senator Thompson, there is one place where the federal government has a role in manufacturing, and that’s ensuring that everybody’s playing by the rules. Now, when Communist China devalues their currency by 40 percent, they undercut American products around the world. They undercut them so low that we can’t even pay for the cost of materials and meet their prices. Now, that has put 1.8 million working Americans out of work, and that job, the job of enforcing those rules, is the president’s job. That’s what I intend to do.
Can’t argue with that. We tie our own hands with our trade policies. Rep. Tancredo also managed to get a good poke at McCain’s stance on immigration…
Tancredo - John, I just want to quickly respond. I certainly can agree with the senator on one thing, that the people of this country believe that the government is broken and hasn’t fixed their problems to a large extent because of the senator’s efforts in support of illegal immigration. That’s one reason why they’re concerned, and that’s — you’re absolutely right, the government hasn’t fixed the problem. And for every single illegal immigrant family in this country, it costs 20,000 — it costs us $20,000; $20,000 in infrastructural costs. They pay about 10,000 in taxes. You really want to do something about — to restore the people’s faith in government? Do something about illegal immigration, don’t just talk about it.
Tom took McCain to the mat on that one. But John, having read the tea leaves, realizes his stance on immigration has sunk his chances at the nomination,
But the money shot for the evening had to go to Fred Thompson’s response to the ‘blond bung hole‘ moderator’s snarky is the illegal war justified question…
Thompson - I think the policy that we’re engaged in now is the right one. Clearly, to me, we didn’t go in with enough troops and we didn’t know what to expect when we got there. But now we’re showing signs of progress. I think we got to take advantage of the opportunities that we have there, now that we see a window of opportunity for things to turn around and us to stabilize that place and not to have to leave with our tail between our legs. If we did that, it would make for a more dangerous United States of America. I think we’ve got to come to terms with the nature of the threat that our country faces. It is a global war. Islamic fascism has declared it upon us. They look at it as something that’s something that’s been going on for a long, long time. They’re perfectly willing for it to go on for a long time more, killing millions of innocent people in the process. They play by no rules, and they are intent on bringing down Western civilization and the United States of America. So we have to understand what’s necessary and the determination that we need to show to friend and foe alike that we’ll do what’s necessary to fight on any front that we have to fight on. This is a front in a much broader war, and I think the young people that I talk to coming back from there understand that. In fact, sometimes it’s strange to me to think that the average 20-year-old serving us in Iraq knows more about what it takes for our national security than the average 20-year veteran on Capitol Hill.
Well said, it’s unfortunate that Fred was relatively flat for the rest of the debate. But, not to be out-shined, Ron Paul used the ‘blond bung hole‘ moderator’s question to launch an illegal war with a side of gold standard tyrade against the Bush administration…
Ron Paul - Probably not, but that should not be a reason. That’s an old theory. It’s mercantilistic. It’s neocolonialism that you have to maintain your supply routes and your natural resources. But I think there’s still a lot of those kind of people around, and they believe — you know, we were told it was about oil and jobs when it first started in 1990, and this is just a continuation of that war. Indeed, this war is a mistake; it was a mistake to go in. It’s very costly, and it has a lot of economic ramifications. We’re going broke. We have this huge deficit. We’re spending nearly a trillion dollars with maintaining our empire overseas, and that’s a cost. Right now we owe foreigners $2.7 trillion. No wonder they have money to come back in here and buy stuff up, and then we object; but that has to do with our monetary system, as well as our foreign policy. So if we want prosperity, we have to change our foreign policy; we have to live within our means, but we can’t maintain a reserve currency where all — our greatest export today are paper dollars. We create money out of thin air, and they still accept it as if it was backed by gold. And that is the reason all this money goes overseas. And at the same time, we finance all this military activity overseas, and it’s bankrupting this country. And not only that, it’s a threat to our personal liberties here, and it’s going to be a threat to our economy because we are beginning to live beneath our means. And that is a natural consequence of what happens when you live beyond your means. So we must change our policy both overseas and domestically.
Wha… Just the same old ’stick you head in the sand’ foreign policy that will get us all killed. But at least our money will be worth something, too bad we won’t be able to spend it, because we will all be very dead.
But the best exchange of the night had to be the response to this question…
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - If you were president of the United States, would you need to go to Congress to get authorization to take military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities?
Romney was the first to be asked to respond, to which he muttered on about lawyers.. it was all nonsense
Ron Paul - Absolutely. This idea of going and talking to attorneys totally baffles me. Why don’t we just open up the Constitution and read it? You’re not allowed to go to war without a declaration of war. Now, as far as fleeting enemies go, yes, if there’s an imminent attack on us, we’d never had that happen in 220 years. The thought that the Iranians could pose an imminent attack on the United States is preposterous. There’s no way. This is just…
[hmm, Pearl Harbor wasn't that an attack, what about the U.S.S Cole, or our embassies, and the World Trade Center. Nope, we haven't been attacked at all. Again Ron Paul makes an ass of himself]
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - Not an imminent attack, a fleeting — (inaudible) –
Ron Paul - This is just war propaganda, continual war propaganda, preparing this nation to go to war and spread this war, not only in Iraq but into Iran, unconstitutionally. It is a road to disaster for us as a nation. It’s a road to our financial disaster if we don’t read the Constitution once in a while.
[And now the Chicken-Little defense, this guy is useless, I believe Ron you took an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe you need to read the Constitution, especially the provide for the 'common defense' part. Through it's actions in Iraq, and statements at home, it has as much as declared war on the United States, you asshat.]
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - Around the horn, Congressman — Governor Huckabee, same question. Do you need Congress to approve such an action?
Gov. Huckabee - A president has to do whatever is necessary to protect the American people. If we think Iran is building nuclear capacity that could be used against us in any way, including selling some of the nuclear capacity to some other terrorist group, then yes, we have a right to do it. And I would do it in a heartbeat.
[Another great answer from the Governor.]
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - Without going to Congress? Without going to Congress?
['bung hole' seems to be put out by the Governor's lack of deference to the Congress on matters such as this. Because we all know the members of Congress are way more important than the idiots in fly-over country. Liberals are so much smarter than us.. sarcasm intended]
Gov. Huckabee - Well, if it’s necessary to get it done because it’s actionable right now, yes. If you have the time and the luxury of going to Congress, that’s always better. But Chris, the most important single thing is to make sure –
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - And if Congress says no, what do you do? If Congress says no, what do you do, Governor?
['bung hole' is just that.. a dirty little bung hole, Cuz' like the Congress ALWAYS gets things right... The 'blond bung hole' moderator really irritates me.]
Gov. Huckabee - You do what’s best for the American people, and you suffer the consequences. But what you don’t do is — what you never do is let the American people one day get hit with a nuclear device because you had politics going on in Washington instead of the protection of the American people first.
[Damn straight!]
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - Senator McCain.
Sen McCain - We’re dealing of course with hypotheticals. If the situation is that it requires immediate action to ensure the security of the United States of America, that’s what you take your oath to do when you’re inaugurated as president of the United States. If it’s a long series of build-ups, where the threat becomes greater and greater, of course you want to go to Congress; of course you want to get approval if this is a(n) imminent threat to the security of the United States of America.
So it obviously depends on the scenario, but if I were — I would at minimum, I would at minimum consult with the leaders of Congress because there may become a time where you need the approval of Congress, and I believe that this is a possibility that is maybe closer to reality than we are discussing tonight.
[That's why your on the bottom end of the polls John. Do what needs to be done, what is best for the U.S. It's kind of like immigration. Do what's best for the Country, not what you mistakingly perceive as best for the party or your chances of re-election.]
‘blond bung hole’ moderator - Senator? Senator Thompson.
Fred Thompson - On this question? Yes, I think that — I think John has it right.
I would add that under the War Powers Act there’s always a conflict between the Congress and the president as to the exact applicability of that when an engagement lasts for a particular period of time and when they must come before Congress. I don’t think anybody running for president should diminish the powers of the office before he gets there and take side in a hypothetical dispute.
But I would say that in any close call, you should go to Congress, whether it’s legally required or not, because you’re going to need the American people, and Congress will help you. If they are voting for it or they support it, or leaders, especially in the opposite party, are convinced in looking at the evidence that this is the right thing to do, that will help you with the American people. And we have learned that over the long term, in any conflict, we’ve got to have the strong support of the American people over a protracted period of time.
You have to hand it to Fred, he did handily whip out the ‘War Powers Act’ in his response. But he disappoints me siding with McCain. While I really like the things that Fred stands for, and the way in which he presents them. It’s the responses such as these turn me away.
The losers in this round of debates are Romney and America’s mayor Tuti-Fruity Rudy. Romney’s responses were their usual calculated double speak. While Guiliani was there, it seems he was overlooked (which I’m really not complaining about). Winners, Hunter, Huckabee and Tancredo. They were successful at getting their message out, and it showed that they were not intimidated by the front runners when by name they directed their rebuttals. Since this was the first debate to include Fred Thompson, it was Fred’s to win or lose, which he did neither. Which neither hurts him or helps him.